Trey Tucker, a therapist and author, used to go on undercover human trafficking raids rescuing underage girls and women from sex trafficking rings. His experiences have since changed him, but his insight about Jeffery Epstein's influence over people can change them. Tucker sees the power dynamics of the elite world, which can only be accessed by doing something that gives the group "blackmail" against you. He sees this as a sign that powerful public figures can hijack and manipulate someone's identity. Allie Beth Stuckey asked Tucker to explain the psychological significance of charismatic leaders like Epstein, who often appeal to people who feel secure at a heightened level of uncertainty. Tucker also shared his thoughts on the issue of political partisanship.